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Posted by bigvein 
Native American..
March 19, 2010 09:00PM

So you have some people claim that Euros and Africans are on a stolen land, The USA.... But who is to say who stole what?

Its fact that European and African artifacts have been found in previously thought 'native' archeaolgical digs.. Digs which date thousands years before established 'native' inhabitation..

So.. when we say 'native', based on whose timeline do we base this 'native' title?
Re: Native American..
March 19, 2010 09:06PM
Native Tribes included "Black", "Red", and "Yellow" Peoples.
Re: Native American..
March 19, 2010 09:08PM
What matters to me is we're all here now.....coexist in harmony.

Re: Native American..
March 19, 2010 09:13PM
RasSmoka wrote:

> What matters to me is we're all here now.....coexist in
> harmony.

Re: Native American..
March 19, 2010 09:14PM
It's all based on western perception. It's just like they say Columbus discovered America. In reality though it's like saying Pocahontas dicovered the United Kingdom or the native americans discovered columbus lost at sea. It all revolves around western thought.
Re: Native American..
March 19, 2010 09:49PM
Earth's Natives are called 'Earthlings'. "Exist to Resist"
Re: Native American..
March 19, 2010 10:07PM
"What matters to me is we're all here now.....coexist in harmony."

Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 12:22AM

The earliest North American artifacts & settlement date back to 13,000 - 15,000 years ago .. with some claiming evidence of settlement 30,000-60,000 years ago..

I'm curious what 'European' and 'African' artifacts might have been found in the new World which predates this, or even the conservative time frame of 13,000 years ago?

Show us your info source please!

According to the still-debated New World migration model, a migration of humans from Eurasia to the Americas took place via Beringia, a land bridge which formerly connected the two continents across what is now the Bering Strait.[12] Falling sea levels created the Bering land bridge that joined Siberia to Alaska, which began about 60,000 - 25,000 years ago.[12] The minimum time depth by which this migration had taken place is confirmed at 12,000 years ago, with the upper bound (or earliest period) remaining a matter of some unresolved contention.[13] These early Paleoamericans soon spread throughout the Americas, diversifying into many hundreds of culturally distinct nations and tribes.[14] The North American climate finally stabilized by 8000 BCE; climatic conditions were very similar to today's.[15] This led to widespread migration, cultivation of crops, and subsequently a dramatic rise in population all over the Americas.

The big-game hunting culture labeled as the Clovis culture is primarily identified with its production of fluted projectile points. The culture received its name from artifacts found near Clovis, New Mexico; the first evidence of this tool complex was excavated in 1932. The Clovis culture ranged over much of North America and also appeared in South America. The culture is identified by the distinctive Clovis point, a flaked flint spear-point with a notched flute, by which it was inserted into a shaft. Dating of Clovis materials has been by association with animal bones and by the use of carbon dating methods. Recent reexaminations of Clovis materials using improved carbon-dating methods produced results of 11,050 and 10,800 radiocarbon years B.P. (roughly 9100 to 8850 BCE).
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 12:29AM
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 12:54AM
Ok - thanks for that, it helps me a lot to understand where you are coming from.

You do realize that the tone of that website is what would be considered 'fringe' thinking?


I suspect that this theory would be considered pretty far away from current archeological thinking, research & evidence:

The earliest people in the Americas were people of the Negritic African race, who entered the Americas perhaps as early as 100,000 years ago, by way of the bering straight and about thirty thousand years ago in a worldwide maritime undertaking that included journeys from the then wet and lake filled Sahara towards the Indian Ocean and the Pacific, and from West Africa across the Atlantic Ocean towards the Americas.

According to the Gladwin Thesis, this ancient journey occurred, particularly about 75,000 years ago and included Black Pygmies, Black Negritic peoples and Black Australoids similar to the Aboriginal Black people of Australia and parts of Asia, including India.

Sounds a bit like a Chariots of The Gods, 'Atlantis' style direction in Human migration theory.

On a more provable footing, mainstream archeologists do almost universally support the theory of Human origins in East Africa:


In paleoanthropology, the recent African origin of modern humans is the mainstream model describing the origin and early dispersal of anatomically modern humans. The theory is called the (Recent) Out-of-Africa model in the popular press, and academically the recent single-origin hypothesis (RSOH), Replacement Hypothesis, and Recent African Origin (RAO) model. The hypothesis that humans have a single origin (monogenesis) was published in Charles Darwin's Descent of Man (1871). The concept was speculative until the 1980s, when it was corroborated by a study of present-day mitochondrial DNA, combined with evidence based on physical anthropology of archaic specimens.

According to both genetic and fossil evidence, archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa, between 200,000 and 100,000 years ago, with members of one branch leaving Africa by 60,000 years ago and over time replacing earlier human populations such as Neanderthals and Homo erectus. According to this theory, around the above time frame, one of the African subpopulations went through a process of speciation, prohibiting gene flow between African and Eurasian Human populations.[citation needed] The recent single origin of modern humans in East Africa is the near-consensus position held within the scientific community.[1]

And as well, recent studies of DNA suggest the ancestry of modern humans, including everyone alive today & everyone on this forum, stems back to a small group of only about 10,000 individuals who'd managed to survive during the Toba Catastrophe.


The Toba supereruption (Young Toba Tuff or simply YTT[1]) occurred between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra, Indonesia), and it is recognized as one of Earth's largest known eruptions. The related catastrophe theory holds that this supervolcanic event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter, which resulted in the world's human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution. Some researchers argue that the Toba eruption produced not only a catastrophic volcanic winter but also an additional 1,000 year cooling episode.

Food for thought!

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Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 12:57AM
Why do People always refer to Indigenous People from Turtle Island (the americas) in the past tense.
"Black" Indigenous People still exist in this Day and Age........

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Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 01:34AM
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 01:39AM
its always dismissed as 'fringe thinking' when it is proved InI people are the true Kings and Queens of this Earth!!

Bun out Leif Erikson and his band of THIEVES!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 02:29AM
Well like that will ever happen, your anger will only perpetuate the present situation we are in. Do you think by saying black people are the true kings and kings of this earth you are healing anything or just creating more problems?
Regardless of the leadership supremacy of the African nation of old does that make any human being lesser than them. Well now the tables have turned (not to say that it is right for any man to feel superior to another) and many atrocities have been against the black people in this time. The bible says that the meek shall inherit the earth and one day Babylon will fall. There will be much pain and suffering involved in that unfortunately. Not knowing the time or place of the big collapse the tables may turn again and people of color will have more control (look at the statistics and sometime this century people of color will be the majority and with that hopefully have more power to equal out the playing field) but that could be just as bad as it is today but the opposite way. A place of power can always corrupt, you know getty getty, wanti, wanti. I know you are a big testosterone filled pumped up guy, that why I posted the pick of course ( I know you havde talked about your size so I thought it was funny)... please forgive the caption I didn't write that, but what does it worth to be so negative all the time? I know I won't change your mind about anything but I want to reason with you on these topics cause I have been reading your posts for a long time now and know you must have alot of pain built up inside you that is now manifesting as anger for what you think "InI people" are entitled to.
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 03:35AM
bigvein izza BITCH!

DUB IS TOO DREAD FOR WORDS.... binghi2digi
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 03:46AM
You know I luv you Stevo, and yes it would save me so much time to just say Bitch, since my posting won't change anything. Thank you master I am but the grasshopper.
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 05:03AM
yes, it was Leif Erickson who erased black history
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 08:17AM
Re: Native American..
March 20, 2010 12:47PM
BV - you might want to consider that you're getting your info from a website promoting rather 'fringe' points of view & that the 'theory' about waves of prehistoric immigration direct from Africa to North America comes from the mind of one individual amateur archeologist who was active in the early years of modern archeology and is a view which is not shared by others in the field and not supported in any way by current evidence such as artifacts, DNA, verbal folklore etc.

According to Gladwin's theory, waves of small African 'pygmy' and bushman type peoples ('Diminutive Africans') were the ones to make the voyage from Africa starting around 70,000 years ago. If you think about it - pygmies and bushmen live as land-locked hunter gatherer tribespeople not exactly known for their sea-faring exploits.

Also consider boat-building technology & navigation in the stone age. Does it make sense that groups of these guys would make their way overland to the coast and then build reed rafts to sail across the Atlantic on an almost certain suicide mission ?

Harold Sterling Gladwin (1883-1983[1]) was an American archaeologist, anthropologist and stockbroker born in New York City.....

Harold Sterling Gladwin was an early twentieth century archaeologist that specialized in Southwestern archaeology of the United States. He also was known for his famed excavations at Snaketown, Arizona, in which he accomplished several publications on this topic; his theories on migration to the New World from Asia also gained attention.

Although Harold made some serious contributions to his practice, he became best known for promoting such questionable theories as that of "multitudinous migrations" into the Americas. Another questionable topic was related to the concept of cultural diffusions. That included the certainty that the New World was inhabited by a succession of people. These people included the Pygmies from Africa, Australoids from Australia, and Greeks and Middle Easterners stranded on the Persian Gulf by Alexander the Great. All of these people introduced their cultures into the New World. They did this by promoting such views in articles and books. Through this media, Gladwin lost the respect of many professional Americanists.

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Re: Native American..
March 22, 2010 04:34PM
Aho reggae lovers - The Native Indian religion is called the Sacred Hoop (aka Medicine Wheel). The old people explain it this way:

The Medicine Wheel is a circle representing the universes; the 4 terrestrial directions of N. E. W. & S and the 7 celestial directions including up, down and inward. The four colors of the Medicine Wheel – the Black, the Red, the White and the Yellow/Tan represent the 4 earth races … born from the same parents whose color is radiant energy. No earth race came first … it was a simultaneous creation … each race blessed and loved just the same. Each race given a unique gift. All the races living within the governance of those who had the greater unconditional love … the clan grandmothers.

The white race was given the gift of ‘iron’ which represents industry. The red race was given the gift of ‘gold’ which represents artistry. A couple of million years ago in our little sector of the Milky Way galaxy, the free-will volition of the human race hit a bump in the road … and this aberration does not reflect the normal evolution of life elsewhere.

A couple of sick little brothers … one red man and one white man developed an unhealthy craving for the gift of the other race. The red man craved the ‘iron’ because he was fractious and wanted enhanced weapons of war. The white man craved the ‘gold’ to pervert into a monetary shitstem for the enslavement of others.

The sick little brothers agreed to break the Creator's plan and trade gifts. They ratified this pact at the village fire and shook hands … and this started a chain of events which shook the Medicine Wheel out of balance till it now shakes the very foundations of this creation and signals the end of this age.

Public knowledge today of church/state/academia is superficial. Most know not the history of the human race on this planet and those that do hide it. Abraham, Isaac & Jacob are the new kids on the block. The Medicine Wheel prophesy speaks of 4 civilizations in previous epochs that have flourished and then destroyed themselves off this earth.

The clues are abundant when one connects the dots between the antediluvian stories of the Lucifer rebellion & war in the heavens and the hybredization of the earth races with the Nephelem off-worlders; with the Vedic descriptions of war in the heavens; with the unexplainable surviving stone monuments, petroglyphs evident on this planet etc. There are structures on this planet made of cut and moved stone that the machines of today are not capable of reproducing. A few researchers have the perspicuity to bust through the ‘forbidden archeology’ Planet of the Apes mentality [www.mcremo.com]

One and all who would like to check this way of life are welcome to visit your local Medicine People but they never knock door to door, advertise in new age magazines or charge admission for ceremony. Because of the genocide they are few in numbers and to find them requires activating your spirit radar. When the good-hearted do find them they will embrace you with love and say; “Come on in. We’ve been waiting for you.”
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Re: Native American..
March 22, 2010 06:03PM
Casper Lomayesva is long overdue on the summer festival circuit!
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