Posted by gabertron
 OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 14, 2011 07:43PM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
I know, just saying sounds scarry right? Another explosion at the Nuclear power plant happened this morning, the radioactive rods have been exposed and have undergone partial meltdown....Japan is now asking U.S. for help....worst case cenario would be a complete meltdown of rods which would then melt steel and the containment vessel....if this happens its all about the weather patterns.....and the west coast is directly across the ocean.

One good thing about this issue is that it will raise many questions and probably hault the progress of new nuclear power plants...i dont think any nuclear power plants have been built in thirty years...i think obama is about to spend billions on nuclear programs. I understand the grid problems and advantages of coal/gas fired power plants as well as nuclear and reprossesing plu tech, but if there is a .005% chance of this happening, its not worth it. THen you can get into the costs and radioactive waste issues....does not seem worth the problems...i believe all of our country's waste is sitting in pools of water across the country while we figure out if we are going to just burry it in the Nevada Desert for future generations to deal with.
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 14, 2011 07:56PM IP/Host: ---.library.uoregon.edu Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 947
Its a shame nuclear scientist actually think they are intelligent! Who puts a nuclear reactor (s) on a planet that has constant earth shifts(quakes super volcanoes etc) and upheavals ? An idiot! Or someone who does not give adamn about human life and the earth itself! We are all Apocalyptic babies now.
'Apocalyptic Baby' by Amha Baraka
Hush little baby dont' say a word papa's gone find you a mocking bird
if that mocking bird dont die mommas gonna buy you a brand new sky..If that nice blue sky turns to black papas gonna give you a radiation jacket..
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 12:02AM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,056
The problem isn't one of intelligence, its one of risks. Its really arrogant to think that you can predict the biggest earthquake that could hit one particular area, as apparently has been done with the two reactors in california. They say they are built to withstand a bigger earthquake than can happen here. Laughable now, i'm sure the Japanese would have said the same thing a few weeks ago. But they have a certain risk tolerance which is insane. A .005% chance Gabertron? thats only one out of 200, even a one out of 2000 chance in fifty years would be too much, there are probably a few hundred reactors in the world. Use of nuclear power means that you accept that sometime in the next hundred years you'll probably have to abandon a large area of land around a reactor somewhere in your country, and are willing to accept the radiation poisoning that your populace will incur. Scary watching it happen to others and realizing you're in much the same position.

Love that reggae!
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 01:17AM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 1,111
Let us all just pray they can contain this pending disaster....
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 01:19AM IP/Host: ---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 1,315
i cant comprehend why we would utilize anything other than SOLAR for consumable energy needs
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 01:46AM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
I agree Nomo....any % chance of a threat to public health is to much and not worth it....i thought our society holds human life as most important?

mining and processing uranium is crazy hazzardus....the costs are outragous as well...in research and development, licences and liability...the government pays out the nose....i wonder who will flip the bill on a clean-up? the taxpayers...and i guess we will pay forever and ever to store radiocative waste?

last i checked, wind...solar...geothermal does not raise a public health risk....maybe kill a few birds in a wind turbine or visually disrupt some landscapes....but i can live with that....to me wind turbines and solar panels are beutiful to look at.

safty...security...it goes on and on....i dont think used solar panels are much of a threat.

wonder why they dont just go out to the desert near Yucca and build a hundred reactors way out in the middle of the desert away from people? its already radiocative out there anyway? to cheap to re-build the power lines? or maybe when they learn how to transfer energy via lazers?

i think we get like 20-25% of our energy from nuclear?
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 02:38AM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 02:41AM IP/Host: ---.socal.res.rr.com Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7
That photo - where is it taken from?

- RudeGal
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 03:05AM IP/Host: 207.102.52.--- Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 284

mother earth is on her schedule … have mercy … Japanese nuclear power stations blowing up … maybe very dangerous to our health … the high altitude air currents blow directly from Japan toward the n.w. coast of turtle island … right now they are claiming this will not be the same magnitude as Chernobyl disaster 1986 … the alternative press is calling this a potential Chernobyl on Steroids ... will we be told the full story by the corporation media … bird’s the word

... w.w.2 … after they dropped the atomic bombs on the civilian peoples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki … people who drink regular miso soup did not get the radiation sickness … they survived while those that did not get the miso soup perished ... the good miso is fermented for years so the available miso will all get bought up quick when people get scared ... the dark miso has the most beneficial alkalines but the red and the blonde miso good too & sea weeds good for their natural iodine.

iodine is a trace mineral which is a necessity of life … if you are deficient in iodine … which most people in the industrialized nations are … then the radioactive iodine will be absorbed into your thyroid gland … if you ingest the good iodine your body will reject the radiation-bound iodine.

also shwush’um (soap berry) from the traditional Sinixt medicine keepers to be found across much of Shcaluthe territories … they knew it’s alkalizing property and had zero cancer rate
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Thanks to nuclear accidents and leakage worldwide, we may be exposed to ionizing radiation as well. In the decades since the first atomic bombings, scientists have confirmed that miso (as well as sea vegetables) help protect the body from radiation by binding and discharging radioactive elements. Two weeks after the Chernobyl nuclear accident, all miso and seaweed disappeared from European store shelves.

At the time of the world's first plutonium atomic bombing, on August 9, 1945, two hospitals were literally in the shadow of the blast, about one mile from the epicenter in Nagasaki. American scientists declared the area totally uninhabitable for 75 years. At University Hospital 3000 patients suffered greatly from leukemia and disfiguring radiation burns. This hospital served its patients a modern fare of sugar, white rice, and refined white flour products. Another hospital was St. Francis Hospital, under the direction of Shinichiro Akizuki, M.D. Although this hospital was located even closer to the blast's epicenter than the first, none of the workers or patients suffered from radiation sickness.

Dr. Akizuki had been feeding his patients and workers brown rice, miso soup, vegetables and seaweed every day. The Roman Catholic Church—and the residents of Nagasaki—called this a modern day miracle. Meanwhile, Dr. Akizuki and his co-workers disregarded the American warning and continued going around the city of Nagasaki in straw sandals visiting the sick in their homes.

Since the 1950s, Soviet weapons factories had been dumping wastes into Karachar Lake in Chelyabinsk, an industrial city 900 miles east of Moscow. Many local residents began to suffer from radiation symptoms and cancer. In 1985, Lidia Yamchuk and Hanif Sharimardanov, medical doctors in Chelyabinsk, changed their approach with patients suffering from leukemia, lymphoma and other disorders associated with exposure to nuclear radiation. They began incorporating miso soup into their diet. They wrote: "Miso is helping some of our patients with terminal cancer to survive. Their blood improved as soon as they began to use miso daily."

Over a 25-year period, the Japanese Cancer Institute tested and tracked 260,000 subjects, dividing them into three groups. Group one ate miso soup daily, group two consumed miso two or three times a week, while group three ate no miso at all. The results were stark: those who had not eaten any miso showed a 50% higher incidence of cancer than those who had eaten miso.

An excellent source of digestive enzymes, friendly bacteria, essential amino acids, vitamins (including vitamin B-12), easily assimilated protein (twice as much as meat or fish and 11 times more than milk) and minerals, miso is low in calories and fat. It breaks down and discharges cholesterol, neutralizes the effects of smoking and environmental pollution, alkalinizes the blood and prevents radiation sickness. Miso has been used to treat certain types of heart disease and cancer. It helps with bed wetting, tobacco poisoning, hangovers, burns and wounds. A fine food for traveling (dry it by roasting over a low flame in skillet), miso gives warmth and life and the wisdom of age to those who consume it daily.

Studies in Japan's Tohoku University have isolated chemicals from miso that cancel out the effects of some carcinogens. We are all inevitably exposed to carcinogens in our foods and our environment. We are also exposed to non-ionizing radiation (ELFs and EMFs) given off by power lines, transformers, electrical stations, computers, hair dryers, microwave ovens and air conditioners.
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from Deanne Lambert

Japan's nuclear reactors are still in a dangerous mode. They are doing everything they can to get the cores to cool. Unfortunately, there has been some radioactive leakage. They have also had to 'bleed' off some of the pressure in order to keep them from exploding. This has released radioactive particles into the atmosphere. Initially, the radioactive levels were fairly low and harmless; now, they are at levels which can cause radioactive poisoning. At this time, two of the reactors have reached partial melt down. One has since been completely cooled down and is now inactive. The other is leaking radiation. There is a third which they are not sure about, whether it has started to go into melt down mode. They are working around the clock to cool these down and prevent further contamination.

This is what means for us: The west coast of North America receives the weather that comes from the area Japan is in. British Columbia and Washington state are in direct line for the brunt of it. As the air moves across the ocean, any radioactivity will disperse and the intensity will lessen. Also if there is any rain, it will help to take it from the atmosphere and onto whatever the rain is falling on. This may be the ocean or land and anything living in the ocean or on the land. Radioactive poisoning can result through skin absorption, breathing in radioactive air, and also ingestion through foods and water. Other then at high levels, radioactive poisoning may not become pronounced for many years.

There are a couple of things we can do to help ourselves. One way to limit radioactive absorption of radioactive iodine particles is by topping up our thyroids with iodine. The body will only allow its maximum intake then it will stop absorbing. If we top up the thyroid this with regular iodine, then the body has a greater chance of not absorbing the radioactive iodine.

You can get iodine pills, iodine glucanate, or tincture of iodine. To use the tincture of iodine, place a loonie sized spot on your skin, the body will absorb this within 12 - 24 hrs. best to do after your shower or bath. Everytime you notice the iodine has been fully absorbed, reapply! Start now and continue this until all threats of radioactivity have ended. For children use a smaller amount depending on body size. Babies a tiny bit. Be careful to rotate your spots you use as iodine can cause irritation. Nursing babies may get it through the moms milk... (don't quote me on this). If you have a skin reaction like a rash then switch to another form of iodine. Pets put on the inner ear or bare tummy areas again as per size of animal.

This will only help with the potential absorption of radioactive iodine... it will not protect you from any other radioactive particles. So, on this note I will ask for everyones help....
Whatever you believe in or whoever you talk to may it be Creator, God, Allah, the Universe... or if you believe in co-creation theory... it matters not...

I beseech you all to pray, send out intention, to hold in your heart... in your own way, in your own words... That all of Mother Earth is well, all relations are well, that we are in harmony and in peace with all. That all are protected and will not be affected by any of this. Please carry in your hearts the joy of knowing that we are all one, that we are rising to a greater way of being to be in Peace, Love, Harmony and Balance with all that is. Let us rejoice in gratitude and compassion for Mother Earth and all our relations, all of the green, the creature teachers, the sacred elements, the sacred directions, all entities of Great Spirit. Thank you.

Here are some links for information:
[news.ca.msn.com]
[www.naturalhealthtechniques.com]
[www.iaea.org]
May Peace be with you,
deanne
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Dr. Hulda Clark PhD ND says the correct iodine is sodium iodine (not potassium iodine) in the form of 5% iodine (known as lugols) which can be taken internally in the correct dosages … she says some people are allergic to iodine so do your own research to know the protocols to determine the dosages and how to determine if you are allergic

Also if worst comes to worsted there are protocols to take the dust off your clothing, wash yourself, fine micron acemasks etc ... do your research
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 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 03:23AM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
Its a concentrated solar thermal plant in spain....i guess spain and germany are big into them...it boils liquid in the tower.......at night when demand is low and the sun is down...it fires up the gas....to run the turbine....fair enough id say
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 03:30AM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
24hour sun and 8x the strength of earth sun....wouldnt harm animals or people....except the energy is shot down in microwaves...

 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 05:46PM IP/Host: ---.fairisaac.com Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 1,282
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nomotrouble
A .005% chance Gabertron? thats only one out of 200, even a one out of 2000 chance in fifty years would be too much, there are probably a few hundred reactors in the world.

Math correction:
- a 1% chance is 1 chance in 100 tries
- a .1% chance is 1 chance in 1000 tries
- a .01% chance is 1 chance in 10000 tries
- a .001% chance is 1 chance in 100000 tries
- a .005% chance is 1 chance in 20000 tries
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 06:41PM IP/Host: ---.mcoe.us Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 5,888
Thanks for the information Peacemakeya.

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Peacemakeya

mother earth is on her schedule … have mercy … Japanese nuclear power stations blowing up … maybe very dangerous to our health … the high altitude air currents blow directly from Japan toward the n.w. coast of turtle island … right now they are claiming this will not be the same magnitude as Chernobyl disaster 1986 … the alternative press is calling this a potential Chernobyl on Steroids ... will we be told the full story by the corporation media … bird’s the word

... w.w.2 … after they dropped the atomic bombs on the civilian peoples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki … people who drink regular miso soup did not get the radiation sickness … they survived while those that did not get the miso soup perished ... the good miso is fermented for years so the available miso will all get bought up quick when people get scared ... the dark miso has the most beneficial alkalines but the red and the blonde miso good too & sea weeds good for their natural iodine.

iodine is a trace mineral which is a necessity of life … if you are deficient in iodine … which most people in the industrialized nations are … then the radioactive iodine will be absorbed into your thyroid gland … if you ingest the good iodine your body will reject the radiation-bound iodine.

also shwush’um (soap berry) from the traditional Sinixt medicine keepers to be found across much of Shcaluthe territories … they knew it’s alkalizing property and had zero cancer rate
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a peacemaker

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Thanks to nuclear accidents and leakage worldwide, we may be exposed to ionizing radiation as well. In the decades since the first atomic bombings, scientists have confirmed that miso (as well as sea vegetables) help protect the body from radiation by binding and discharging radioactive elements. Two weeks after the Chernobyl nuclear accident, all miso and seaweed disappeared from European store shelves.

At the time of the world's first plutonium atomic bombing, on August 9, 1945, two hospitals were literally in the shadow of the blast, about one mile from the epicenter in Nagasaki. American scientists declared the area totally uninhabitable for 75 years. At University Hospital 3000 patients suffered greatly from leukemia and disfiguring radiation burns. This hospital served its patients a modern fare of sugar, white rice, and refined white flour products. Another hospital was St. Francis Hospital, under the direction of Shinichiro Akizuki, M.D. Although this hospital was located even closer to the blast's epicenter than the first, none of the workers or patients suffered from radiation sickness.

Dr. Akizuki had been feeding his patients and workers brown rice, miso soup, vegetables and seaweed every day. The Roman Catholic Church—and the residents of Nagasaki—called this a modern day miracle. Meanwhile, Dr. Akizuki and his co-workers disregarded the American warning and continued going around the city of Nagasaki in straw sandals visiting the sick in their homes.

Since the 1950s, Soviet weapons factories had been dumping wastes into Karachar Lake in Chelyabinsk, an industrial city 900 miles east of Moscow. Many local residents began to suffer from radiation symptoms and cancer. In 1985, Lidia Yamchuk and Hanif Sharimardanov, medical doctors in Chelyabinsk, changed their approach with patients suffering from leukemia, lymphoma and other disorders associated with exposure to nuclear radiation. They began incorporating miso soup into their diet. They wrote: "Miso is helping some of our patients with terminal cancer to survive. Their blood improved as soon as they began to use miso daily."

Over a 25-year period, the Japanese Cancer Institute tested and tracked 260,000 subjects, dividing them into three groups. Group one ate miso soup daily, group two consumed miso two or three times a week, while group three ate no miso at all. The results were stark: those who had not eaten any miso showed a 50% higher incidence of cancer than those who had eaten miso.

An excellent source of digestive enzymes, friendly bacteria, essential amino acids, vitamins (including vitamin B-12), easily assimilated protein (twice as much as meat or fish and 11 times more than milk) and minerals, miso is low in calories and fat. It breaks down and discharges cholesterol, neutralizes the effects of smoking and environmental pollution, alkalinizes the blood and prevents radiation sickness. Miso has been used to treat certain types of heart disease and cancer. It helps with bed wetting, tobacco poisoning, hangovers, burns and wounds. A fine food for traveling (dry it by roasting over a low flame in skillet), miso gives warmth and life and the wisdom of age to those who consume it daily.

Studies in Japan's Tohoku University have isolated chemicals from miso that cancel out the effects of some carcinogens. We are all inevitably exposed to carcinogens in our foods and our environment. We are also exposed to non-ionizing radiation (ELFs and EMFs) given off by power lines, transformers, electrical stations, computers, hair dryers, microwave ovens and air conditioners.
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from Deanne Lambert

Japan's nuclear reactors are still in a dangerous mode. They are doing everything they can to get the cores to cool. Unfortunately, there has been some radioactive leakage. They have also had to 'bleed' off some of the pressure in order to keep them from exploding. This has released radioactive particles into the atmosphere. Initially, the radioactive levels were fairly low and harmless; now, they are at levels which can cause radioactive poisoning. At this time, two of the reactors have reached partial melt down. One has since been completely cooled down and is now inactive. The other is leaking radiation. There is a third which they are not sure about, whether it has started to go into melt down mode. They are working around the clock to cool these down and prevent further contamination.

This is what means for us: The west coast of North America receives the weather that comes from the area Japan is in. British Columbia and Washington state are in direct line for the brunt of it. As the air moves across the ocean, any radioactivity will disperse and the intensity will lessen. Also if there is any rain, it will help to take it from the atmosphere and onto whatever the rain is falling on. This may be the ocean or land and anything living in the ocean or on the land. Radioactive poisoning can result through skin absorption, breathing in radioactive air, and also ingestion through foods and water. Other then at high levels, radioactive poisoning may not become pronounced for many years.

There are a couple of things we can do to help ourselves. One way to limit radioactive absorption of radioactive iodine particles is by topping up our thyroids with iodine. The body will only allow its maximum intake then it will stop absorbing. If we top up the thyroid this with regular iodine, then the body has a greater chance of not absorbing the radioactive iodine.

You can get iodine pills, iodine glucanate, or tincture of iodine. To use the tincture of iodine, place a loonie sized spot on your skin, the body will absorb this within 12 - 24 hrs. best to do after your shower or bath. Everytime you notice the iodine has been fully absorbed, reapply! Start now and continue this until all threats of radioactivity have ended. For children use a smaller amount depending on body size. Babies a tiny bit. Be careful to rotate your spots you use as iodine can cause irritation. Nursing babies may get it through the moms milk... (don't quote me on this). If you have a skin reaction like a rash then switch to another form of iodine. Pets put on the inner ear or bare tummy areas again as per size of animal.

This will only help with the potential absorption of radioactive iodine... it will not protect you from any other radioactive particles. So, on this note I will ask for everyones help....
Whatever you believe in or whoever you talk to may it be Creator, God, Allah, the Universe... or if you believe in co-creation theory... it matters not...

I beseech you all to pray, send out intention, to hold in your heart... in your own way, in your own words... That all of Mother Earth is well, all relations are well, that we are in harmony and in peace with all. That all are protected and will not be affected by any of this. Please carry in your hearts the joy of knowing that we are all one, that we are rising to a greater way of being to be in Peace, Love, Harmony and Balance with all that is. Let us rejoice in gratitude and compassion for Mother Earth and all our relations, all of the green, the creature teachers, the sacred elements, the sacred directions, all entities of Great Spirit. Thank you.

Here are some links for information:
[news.ca.msn.com]
[www.naturalhealthtechniques.com]
[www.iaea.org]
May Peace be with you,
deanne
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Dr. Hulda Clark PhD ND says the correct iodine is sodium iodine (not potassium iodine) in the form of 5% iodine (known as lugols) which can be taken internally in the correct dosages … she says some people are allergic to iodine so do your own research to know the protocols to determine the dosages and how to determine if you are allergic

Also if worst comes to worsted there are protocols to take the dust off your clothing, wash yourself, fine micron acemasks etc ... do your research
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a peacemaker
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 06:44PM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
yes indeed...thank you..i passed it on to a friend who is living in Tokyo.
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 09:32PM IP/Host: ---.cfht.hawaii.edu Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 114
Iodine and potassium are your friends. Cilantro and seaweed are good too.

Here in Hawaii we are stocking up. I'd suggest that those in Cali consider getting some as well.

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"Whether you suffer from glaucoma, or you just rented The Matrix, medical marijuana can make things fabulous! ...medically."

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 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 10:08PM IP/Host: ---.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 1,569
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gabertron

last i checked, wind...solar...geothermal does not raise a public health risk....maybe kill a few birds in a wind turbine or visually disrupt some landscapes....but i can live with that....to me wind turbines and solar panels are beutiful to look at.

safty...security...it goes on and on....i dont think used solar panels are much of a threat.

wonder why they dont just go out to the desert near Yucca and build a hundred reactors way out in the middle of the desert away from people? its already radiocative out there anyway? to cheap to re-build the power lines? or maybe when they learn how to transfer energy via lazers?

i think we get like 20-25% of our energy from nuclear?

Its largely about the cost of power when you consider the use of power generated by other then fossil fuels,

My power bill is over a $100 a month, and for solar generated electric power I would have to pay like 4 times that much or$400 a month.

R U ready and willing to pay up now?

As far as siting power plants, nuclear or fossil-fired, they need lots of cooling water and a place to dump a lot of heat as they are only about 30 to 40% efficient. The ocean works well in this regard which is why you find these plants next to the ocean and not in the desert unless you have a big river or lake to dump the heat and supply the water.

There is a myrid of complex tradeoffs involved in all this energy business and includes factors of risk, economics, politics, technology, environmental impact, waste, etc.
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 10:20PM IP/Host: ---.static.snlo.ca.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 279
My thoughts and prayers are with the people in Japan affected by this tragic event.

Here is a huge solar PV system that we recently installed for the Kaua'i Public Utility. Bringing safe, clean, & renewable energy to the good people of Kaua'i.

 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 10:24PM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,056
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nomotrouble
A .005% chance Gabertron? thats only one out of 200, even a one out of 2000 chance in fifty years would be too much, there are probably a few hundred reactors in the world.

Math correction:
- a 1% chance is 1 chance in 100 tries
- a .1% chance is 1 chance in 1000 tries
- a .01% chance is 1 chance in 10000 tries
- a .001% chance is 1 chance in 100000 tries
- a .005% chance is 1 chance in 20000 tries

Well there's some stoned math for you. i forgot the other two decimal places! But in reality we've had 3 serious nuclear accidents in the 50 yrs we've had them, reality seems somwhat different than the computed chance of having a major problem.

Love that reggae!
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 10:24PM IP/Host: ---.static.snlo.ca.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 279
My thoughts and prayers are with the people in Japan affected by this tragic event.

Here is a huge solar PV system that we recently installed for the Kaua'i Public Utility. Bringing safe, clean, & renewable energy to the good people of Kaua'i.

 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 11:26PM IP/Host: ---.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 1,569
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nomotrouble
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nomotrouble
A .005% chance Gabertron? thats only one out of 200, even a one out of 2000 chance in fifty years would be too much, there are probably a few hundred reactors in the world.

Math correction:
- a 1% chance is 1 chance in 100 tries
- a .1% chance is 1 chance in 1000 tries
- a .01% chance is 1 chance in 10000 tries
- a .001% chance is 1 chance in 100000 tries
- a .005% chance is 1 chance in 20000 tries

Well there's some stoned math for you. i forgot the other two decimal places! But in reality we've had 3 serious nuclear accidents in the 50 yrs we've had them, reality seems somwhat different than the computed chance of having a major problem.

Why do you demand a next to zero risk for the nuclear industry and not the same level of risk for a multitude of other risks to the public like exploding natural gas lines, airliner crashes, train wrecks, auto accidents, mining accidents, etc.?
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 15, 2011 11:34PM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,056
Here's the thing for me. After the dead and the broken houses are cleaned up, the area can be rebuilt. A twenty mile radius circle around Chernobyl will be uninhabitable for 20,000 years, and thats a quote from the Ukrainians in charge of it. What if, in a hundred years, there are five or six more of these areas? Doesn't it seem a little stupid? I know there are risks in everything, but there are few other activities which can render an area unusable for longer than any current civilization has been around.

Love that reggae!
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 12:10AM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
nice work Mikey J

Yes indeed Rtwize....i thought of the water issues in the desert....they would have to use or maybe just create a terminal lake like walker lake or somthing, its dying anyway....or have lots of groundwater maybe? and create a oasis? I think Las Vegas area is running out of water and is trying to pipe it in from groundwater sources in other areas, because they have sucked all the groundwater out....Las Vegas has big water issues....if the water level goes down much more in the big resivor out there, the hoover dam will stop making power. wate would be an issue in teh desert for sure.

It just makes no sence building a nuclear power plant ten miles from san luis obispo...i remember having nuclear evac tests at school...and in morro bay where i was from...there was only one road out of town....Its clear the two plants on the california coast are badly misplaced and need to be phased out because of earthquake potential. I also dont like the fact that our nuclear waste is sitting in pools of water all over the country...transpo of waste on our roads...and proliferation is a real problem...if a county that has nuclear power goes belly up, its a big concern to us what happens to their waste.....the idea of recycling fuel rods is a great idea, the only problem is that its expensive and it actually ends up creating much more plutonium in the process....which can be made into weapons.....

after this accident in japan, i think our nuclear program will be dead. we have crap loads of coal reserves that im sure we will use...but then the issue will become the ballance of co2 emmisions and the warming of the planet....

solar cells price are coming down and hopefully some day nanotech will help create more effecient photovoltaic cells, which is likely soon...i like the fact that solar PV cells are made of silica, one of the most abundant materiels on earth...so that means no harsh market or volatile countries that do not like us effecting the price of the material needed via the market.

Nevada will be the Soudi Arabia for geothermal that is certain.
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 02:35AM IP/Host: ---.31.106.190.alfanumeric.com.ni Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 2,197
"Its largely about the cost of power when you consider the use of power generated by other then fossil fuels. My power bill is over a $100 a month, and for solar generated electric power I would have to pay like 4 times that much or$400 a month."

Are you talking about centralized solar power installations or decentralized (i.e. household) solar RW? Because although installing solar panels at your home is expensive up front, over the lifetime of the system (30-50 years) you will easily make back that money and then some - depending on where you live, those systems generally pay for themselves in 7-15 years. It is an investment, in yourself and in future generations. We are talking about an energy source that pays for itself - imagine that! If you tell me where you live i can do the math for an approximate system cost and payback time. This is also an investment in your home - if you move, you can expect the value of your home to go up substantially with the addition of solar panels, as well as making it more attractive to certain buyers. And if solar power is teamed up with energy efficiency improvements to the home and energy conservation IN the home, the initital outlay can be much less anyway.

i would also like everybody to think of the "hidden" costs of fossil-fuel based power. Like funding wars to secure the supply of fossil fuels that the u.s. guzzles every day. Like the HUGE tax breaks that are given to big corporations with even bigger profits (setting records year after year) to continue feeding that addiction. Like having to clean up disasters like happened in the Gulf of Mexico recently. So while those costs might not show up on the bill you get from the electric company, there are costs to be paid for sure.

Solar power is not a silver bullet, but it is a big part of the solution. Why isn't solar hot water mandatory (i.e the law) in the desert SW of the u.s. like it is in Israel? All politics baby. A major shift in thinking about energy must happen in the u.s. and the sooner the better - continuing to burn fossil fuels like coal, oil, and gas at the rate we are is just plain foolish.
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 10:51AM IP/Host: 207.102.52.--- Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 284

they also say "nothing to worry about" many forms of legal poisons in the food chain: conscious scientists know that the combination of fake sugar 'aspertine' to be found in most pop and sport-drink + and m.s.g. to be found in all shwag flavored chips combine to form formaldahyde in the blood stream.

a typical lunch for many young people is pop/aspertine & chips/msg ... aspertine + msg + aerobic excercise is known to short circuit the wiring to the heart ... lots of young people droppin dead on the basketball court ... & this is but one small part of the ism-schism-killin-game

too much bs ... too much children suffering ... i'm glad time almost run out on this age ... like yabby you always said: "when you see these things - fear not - look up - rejoice - for our redemption draws near"

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 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 12:06PM IP/Host: ---.dslextreme.com Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 1,634
a great artcle by Mike Whitney....on [www.counterpunch.org]

"News of a third explosion at the Fukushima nuclear power plant sent stocks plunging on the Nikkei exchange which dropped 1,015 points on the session. After 2 days of battering, the stock index is off more than 1,600 points in its worst performance since Lehman Brothers failed in September 2008.

Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan has ordered the evacuation of all people living within a 18 mile radius of the power station and warned homeowners to remain indoors to avoid contact with "elevated levels of radiation".

"Substantial amounts of radiation are leaking in the area," Kan said in an emergency broadcast on television at 0200 GMT.

Already, the disaster at Fukushima is the second biggest nuclear catastrophe on record, just behind Chernobyl. But reactor volatility suggests that the problem could persist for some time to come, perhaps months.

According to CBS News:

"A fire at a fourth reactor in a quake-damaged nuclear plant sent radiation spewing into the atmosphere Tuesday. Earlier, a third explosion at the plant in four days damaged a critical steel containment structure around another reactor, as Japan's nuclear radiation crisis escalates dramatically....

Making matters worse, the wind over the radiation-leaking nuclear plant in northern Japan will blow inland from the northeast and later from the east on Tuesday, the Japan Meteorological Agency said, according to Reuters. Harmful radiation can spread via wind and rain.

At a shelter in Sendai, workers told CBS News that everyone must avoid Tuesday's rain, as it carries nuclear radiation. Low-level radioactive wind from the nuclear reactor in Fukushima could reach Tokyo within 10 hours, based on current winds, the French embassy says. Radiation at up to 9 times the normal level was briefly detected in Kanagawa near Tokyo." ("Japan nuke plant fire leads to spewing radiation", CBS News)

The magnitude of the crisis is hard to grasp. Another two reactors saw their cooling systems breakdown late Monday increasing the probability of a meltdown. So far, there have been 4 explosions and 3 fires at various reactors following the devastating 8.9 earthquake and tsunami.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, an official with the Economy Ministry, issued this warning to people living in the vicinity of Fukushima:

The radiation level in the capital, Tokyo, was recorded at 10 times normal on Tuesday evening, but the city government said there was no threat to human health. The prevailing winds have since shifted sending the radioactive material out to the Pacific Ocean.

An article in the New York Times suggests that a nuclear meltdown may be less dangerous that the spent fuel rods which are no longer submerged in water. Here's an excerpt from the article:

"The pools, which sit on the top level of the reactor buildings and keep spent fuel submerged in water, have lost their cooling systems and the Japanese have been unable to take emergency steps because of the multiplying crises.

The threat is that the hot fuel will boil away the cooling water and catch fire, spreading radioactive materials far and wide in dangerous clouds....

The bad news is that if efforts to deal with the emergency fail, the results could be worse.

The pools are a worry at the stricken reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant because at least two of the three have lost their roofs in explosions, exposing the spent fuel pools to the atmosphere. By contrast, reactors have strong containment vessels that stand a better chance of bottling up radiation from a meltdown of the fuel in the reactor core.

Were the spent fuel rods in the pools to catch fire, nuclear experts say, the high heat would loft the radiation in clouds that would spread the radioactivity.

"It's worse than a meltdown," said David A. Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer at the Union of Concerned Scientists who worked as an instructor on the kinds of General Electric reactors used in Japan." ("In Stricken Fuel-Cooling Pools, a Danger for the Longer Term", New York Times)

Finally, here's a statement delivered via You Tube on Tuesday by Edwin Lyman of the Union of Concerned Scientists:

"The situation is Japan is dire. It's grave, and it doesn't suit anyone's purposes to downplay it. They are engaged in desperate measures to try to prevent the cores of three reactors from completely melting down and large radiological releases that could have a major health and environmental impact on Japan. If there is a large-scale radiological release, then within tens of kilometers, people would be at risk of acute radiation exposure, that is, exposures that are so high you would see immediate and potentially life-threatening effects. Beyond 30 to 40 kilometers downwind, that threat would be lessened, but the risk of radiation exposure would still increase the risk of getting cancer significantly....There will need to be additional safeguards if we plan to have safe nuclear power in this country."

Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at: fergiewhitney@msn.com
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 12:53PM IP/Host: ---.dslextreme.com Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 1,634
seems that the US government is now complicit in the cover up.......maybe because of Obamas ties to the Nuclear industry

[blatantreality.com]

and this from the San Jose Mercury News.....

"EPA officials, however, refused to answer questions or make staff members available to explain the exact location and number of monitors, or the levels of radiation, if any, being recorded at existing monitors in California. Margot Perez-Sullivan, a spokeswoman at the EPA's regional headquarters in San Francisco, said the agency's written statement would stand on its own.

"It's disappointing," said Bill Magavern, director of Sierra Club California. "I have a strong suspicion that EPA is being silenced by those in the federal government who don't want anything to stand in the way of a nuclear power expansion in this country, heavily subsidized by taxpayer money."

The EPA has 124 air monitors, which provide hourly readings, already in place in its "Rad-Net" system to measure radiation, including 12 in California and two in Hawaii. One is \\in San Francisco, on the roof of the Bay Area Air Quality Management District."
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 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 01:16PM IP/Host: ---.fairisaac.com Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 1,282

Radiation is measured using the unit sievert, which quantifies the amount of radiation absorbed by human tissues. One sievert is 1,000 millisieverts (mSv). One millisievert is 1,000 microsieverts.

The average person in the United States is exposed to about 6.2 millisieverts a year, mostly from background radiation and medical tests.

A person would need to be exposed to at least 100 mSv a year to have an increase in cancer risk. Exposure to 1,000 mSv (1 sievert) over a year would probably cause a fatal cancer many years later in five out of every 100 people who receive that much radiation.

- A total body CT scan exposes a person to about 10 mSv.
- A mammogram exposes a woman to about 0.7 mSv.
- CT colonography is about 5 to 8 mSv.
- A CT heart scan is about 12 mSv.
- A typical chest X-ray involves exposure of about 0.02 mSv
- A dental X-ray can be 0.01 mSv.
- Coast-to-coast airplane flight exposes a person to about .03 mSv. Airline crews flying the New York-Tokyo polar route are exposed to 9 mSv a year.

Sources: Reuters; New England Journal of Medicine; American Cancer Society; World Nuclear Association and Taiwan's Atomic Energy Council
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 16, 2011 05:53PM IP/Host: ---.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 1,569
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Are you talking about centralized solar power installations or decentralized (i.e. household) solar RW?

i would also like everybody to think of the "hidden" costs of fossil-fuel based power. Like funding wars to secure the supply of fossil fuels that the u.s. guzzles every day. So while those costs might not show up on the bill you get from the electric company, there are costs to be paid for sure.

Centralized solar pv power...The U.S. Energy Information Administration calculates that, all-told, electricity from a Solar PV plants costs 4 times that of conventional coal. Bloomburg energy estimates that solar power costs about $275 per megawatt-hour to produce compared with$60 for a coal-fired power plant.

As far as household roof top solar PV, I admit I know little other then I can see that few people are rushing out to use this as a source of power so I'm skeptical of its overall benefit at this time...and no doubt there are hidden costs in this power method funded by taxpayers as rebates.

Heres a rough breakdown of how we generate electricity in this country:

Coal...45%
Nat. Gas...24%
Nuclear...20%
Hydro...7%
Renewables(solar, wind, etc.)...4%
Liquid petro(oil)...0.6%

We dont have to go to war or clean up oil spills to generate electrical power so those are not hidden costs associated with my electricity bill. However, there are many other types of hidden costs funded by taxpayers...subsidies, research, rebates, etc. that muddle the picture of the comparative economics of the various systems and hidden political agenda's are abundant as well.

When it comes to legislative mandates for the use of renewable power, if your going to promote that sort of thing you need to inform people what the ultimate increase in cost will be to the consumer...as consumers we should have a voice as to how this all plays out.
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you need to inform people what the ultimate increase in cost will be to the consumer...as consumers we should have a voice as to how this all plays out.

Consumers of today are very willing to pass costs onto people of tomorrow. Do we have no problem with passing responsibilities of safeguarding radioactive waste for 25,000 plus year? Also, true cost of nuclear has been hidden as the industry received favorable legislation so insurance costs are capped and largely bourn by the public not the industry. Plus the true costs of nuclear, coal and fossil fuels are not reflected in consumer prices but buried in all types of other costs such as military, health care plus others.

Dr. Helen Caldicott is perhaps most influential environmental activist in the past 35 years. Below is posted on her website on March 16:

She called the situation in Japan was an “absolute disaster” that could be many, many times worse than Chernobyl. Dr Helen Caldicott raised the possibility of cataclysmic loss of life and suggested the emergency could be far more severe than Chernobyl.

“The situation is very grim and not just for the Japanese people,” said Dr Caldicott.

“If both reactors blow then the whole of the Northern Hemisphere may be affected,” she said.

“Only one reactor blew at Chernobyl and it was only 3 months old, with new cores holding relatively little radiation; these ones have been operating for 40 years and would hold about 30 times more radiation than Chernobyl’s.”

Dr Caldicott cited a report from the New York Academy of Sciences, which said that over 1 million people have died as a direct result of the 1986 melt-down at Chernobyl, mostly from cancer. She said authorities had attempted to “hush up” the full scale of the Chernobyl disaster. The official 2005 figure from the International Atomic Energy Agency was just 4,000 fatalities.

The NYAS is a credible 200 year-old scientific institution. Their précis of the report is as follows:

This is a collection of papers translated from the Russian with some revised and updated contributions. Written by leading authorities from Eastern Europe, the volume outlines the history of the health and environmental consequences of the Chernobyl disaster. According to the authors, official discussions from the International Atomic Energy Agency and associated United Nations’ agencies (e.g. the Chernobyl Forum reports) have largely downplayed or ignored many of the findings reported in the Eastern European scientific literature and consequently have erred by not including these assessments.

When asked whether the disaster in Japan could be, say, 30 times worse than Chernobyl, Dr Caldicott said it could be even most catastrophic than that.

“It could be much, much, worse than that,” said Dr Caldicott.

“This could be a diabolical catastrophe—we’ll just have to wait and see.”
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Every-1 is invited to a wienie roast ... we are going to put the
hot-dogs on sticks and put them out the window into the atmospheric microwave...

Group sing along "don't worry bout a thing cuz every likle ting gunna be allright ... three little birds singing sweet songs ... melodies pure and true ... don't worry bout a thing cuz ... keep ya cool ... best to stay out of mob scenes
... buy a new broom ... sweep lots ... whole heap of nasty things need sweep out ... this is my message to you-ou-ou ... the old iyah one on the hill say ... always pray while you sweep
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Dr. Blaylock: Japan Radiation Could Pose Threat to US
Tuesday, March 15, 2011 8:07 AM

If a radiation cloud from Japan’s damaged nuclear reactors eventually reaches the western United States, it could pose a threat to American crops and the people who eat them, nationally known neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock tells Newsmax.

He also says the radiation could pose a cancer risk, and explains steps to take to protect against the damaging effects of radiation exposure.

Blaylock is a health practitioner; author of “Nuclear Sunrise,” which examines the threat posed by nuclear radiation; a lecturer; and editor of Newsmax.com’s “Blaylock Wellness Report.” In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, Blaylock was asked about the risks faced by people in Japan close to the damaged reactors.

“Of course people near the site face the greatest danger,” he says.

“Anything over 150 rads [a measurement of radiation] is going to produce radiation sickness. And they’re getting close to that level, from what I understand.

“The safety level is set at 5 rads per year. They’re getting this dose within a short period of time.

“At about 100 to 400 rads you drastically increase death risk. Once you get above 600 rads, about 95 percent of people are going to die within two weeks. This is what they’re worried about.”

Radioactive elements Strontium 90 and Cesium 137, which can be released by a damaged reactor, “have a half-life of 30 years, so we’re talking about very long contamination, a hundred years or more,” he says.

Prevailing winds in the area of the stricken reactors have been heading east into the Pacific, toward the Western Hemisphere. Blaylock was asked about the threat to Americans if radiation from the reactors eventually does reach Hawaii or the West Coast of America.

“Most of the health risks are not going to be due to acute radiation poisoning,” he tells Newsmax. “It’s going to be a risk of increased cancer.

“When we look at Chernobyl, most of West Germany was heavily contaminated. Norway, Sweden. Hungary was terribly contaminated. The radiation was taken up into the plants. The food was radioactive. They took the milk and turned it into cheese. The cheese was radioactive.

“That’s the big danger, the crops in this country being contaminated, the milk in particular, with Strontium 90. That radiation is incorporated into the bones and stays for a lifetime.”

If radiation does arrive in the United States, people would need “to change their diet. They need to stop eating Western farm products,” Blaylock says.

They might also need to take several supplements that can protect against the effects of radiation, he suggests.

“Taking these supplements not only protects you against radiation but a lot of other diseases including cancer, brain degeneration.”

Among the supplements he cited, iodine can protect the thyroid gland if taken before the exposure to radiation.

Gingko biloba can be protective even after exposure to radiation. Beta-glucan protects the bone marrow. Curcumin also can offer protection after exposure, particularly against breast cancer. He also suggests garlic extract, ginger, melatonin, and magnesium.

Blaylock’s e-book “Nuclear Sunrise” focuses mainly on the threat of radiation from nuclear terrorism, but it examines in detail the effects of radiation and steps to take to protect against radiation damage. It can be found at the website www.blaylockwellnesscenter.com.
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Get out of Tokyo: Foreign Office tells all Britons to leave toxic radiation zone as Japanese 'lose control' of stricken reactor
By David Derbyshire
16th March 2011
French minister: 'Let's not beat about the bush, they've essentially lost control'
Radioactive steam spews into atmosphere from reactor number three
Experts warn that crisis is 'approaching point of no return' as officials run out of options
Officials commandeer police water cannon to spray complex
Attempts to dump water on reactors by helicopter fail
Two more previously stable reactors begin to heat up
Rich scramble to book private jets out the country as fleeing passengers pack Tokyo airport
Workers battling nuclear meltdown evacuated for hours today after radiation levels increased
The UK government is urging all British nationals to leave Tokyo as soon as possible amid fresh safety fears.

The Foreign Office this evening issued a statement recommending that all Britons leave the area for their own safety. At least 17,000 UK citizens live in Japan, the vast majority of them in Tokyo.

The plea came as the crisis at the Fukushima nuclear plant in northeast Japan worsened amid concerns of a radiation leak.

Frantic attempts to cool down the reactors at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant following Friday's earthquake and tsunami had to be suspended after high radiation levels were recorded.

Technicians later returned, but it was another setback in Japanese efforts to avoid a nuclear catastrophe.

The Foreign Office issued advice to any British nationals in - or to the north of - Tokyo to consider leaving the area because of the 'evolving situation' in Fukushima and potential disruptions to the supply of goods, transport, communications and power.

A spokesman for the British Embassy in Tokyo added: 'We are keeping our advice under constant review, taking into account statements from the Japanese authorities and informed by independent UK scientific and health experts.'

Dozens of other governments have issued similar recommendations, including Australia, Germany and France.

The French government today claimed that Japan was losing control of the situation at Fukushima and urged its nationals in Tokyo to leave the country or head to southern Japan.

Industry Minister Eric Besson said: 'Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying.'

Environment Minister Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet branded the situation a 'catastrophe' and said the latest information 'does not lead to optimism'.

'We recommend that all French citizens who do not have a good reason to stay in Tokyo either take a plane or, if they absolutely insist on staying, head south,' said, noted there was no official evacuation order.

The government has asked Air France to mobilise aircraft in Asia to assist with departures.

Meanwhile, Japanese emergency teams say they are 'not afraid to die' as they face dangerous levels of radiation in the fight to stop catastrophe at the tsunami-hit Fukushima nuclear plant.

The stricken power station was abandoned for hours today, as soaring radiation forced the emergency workers to flee for their lives

It came after the French government launched an extraordinary attack accusing the Japanese of losing control of the situation and hiding the full scale of the disaster.

Military helicopters also made a failed attempt to drop water on the reactors from above and police water cannons, usually used in riot control, were even requested to spray the site amid desperate efforts to cool nuclear fuel.
Reactors one to four have been over-heating since the tsumani. But reactors five and six, on a separate part of the site today began heating up as well

A source in contact with emergency teams told CBS they were 'not afraid to die' as they fight to stop a meltdown amid the dangerous levels of radiation.

A succession of experts has also warned that the situation is rapidly deteriorating and raised fears for the lives of the emergency teams.

'We're very close now to the point of no return,' Dr. Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist, said. 'It's gotten worse. We're talking about workers coming into the reactor perhaps as a suicide mission and we may have to abandon ship,' he told ABC.

Fears of 'an apocalypse' were raised by European officials as radiation levels soared. In another attack, French Industry Minister Eric Besson said: 'Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying.'

Those fears are stoking a mass exodus from the country, with wealthy foreign experts engaged in a scramble to book private jets.

Charter companies reported charging as much as \$160,000 for a flight to Tokyo. with one saying it had a request from 14 bankers who 'did not care about price.'

Terrified passengers also crammed into Tokyo's Narita international airport, 150 miles from the stricken plant, in a desperate bid to escape the country. Lufthansa and KLM today became the first airlines to cacnel flights to Tokyo.

In a sign of mounting panic, Cabinet Secretary Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano has already warned that the cooling efforts may not work.

He said: 'It's not so simple that everything will be resolved by pouring in water. We are trying to avoid creating other problems.'

Nuclear experts said the solutions being proposed to quell radiation leaks at the complex were last-ditch efforts to stem what could well be remembered as one of the world's worst industrial disasters.

The biggest concerns centre around the four over-heating reactors, and in particular radioactive steam pouring out of the plutonium-fuelled reactor number three which exploded on Monday.

Plutonium is far more hazardous to health than uranium, which is used to power the other five reactors on the site.

There has been damage to four reactors at the Fukushima , three of which were hit by explosions and another caught fire.

Reactor number four is the second highest concern after a nuclear fuel storage pond was exposed to the atmosphere after a fire.

A fifth and six reactor, which were previously unharmed, were today being sprayed with water amid reports that they too were heating up.

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE REACTORS AT FUKUSHIMA?
Friday's tsunami knocked out the cooling systems at the Fukushima nuclear plant and emergency teams have been battling to stop a catastrophic meltdown since. There are a total of six reactor on the site, each of which has its own problems.

Reactor one

Was the first to explode on Saturday. Video showed a massive blast at the reactor building, as engineers admitted the as they tried to release a build up of hydrogen gas to stop over heating.

Reactor two

Blew up early on Tuesday morning. It came after fuel rods were exposed on Monday, causing further overheating, as engineers struggled to pump sea water into the core.

Reactor three

The cause for most concern. Blew up on Monday and engineers have been struggling to keep the temperature down since. Radioactive steam is pouring from the destroyed reactor building and it is thought a pool used to store used nuclear fuel is heating up.

Reactor four

Initially not a cause for concern because it was shut down when the tsunami struck. However a fire somehow broke out in the reactor on Tuesday morning. That damaged the outer wall of the reactor and exposed a pool where nuclear fuel rods are stored to the air.

Reactor five and six

Only became a concern last night. The two reactors are on a separate part of the site and were also shut down when the tsunami hit. Howevevr they began to heat up last night and emergency crews are now spraying the buildings with water.

An official from the pant operator said today: 'The situation at the No.4 reactor is not exactly a good situation but the No.3 reactor is a higher priority.'

More than 140,000 residents within 19 miles of the plant have been ordered to stay indoors - in addition to the 180,000 already evacuated from the immediate area. Terrified families clogged roads as they tried to flee.

And The French government urged its nationals living in Tokyo to leave the country or head to southern Japan due to the risk of radiation from an earthquake-crippled nuclear power plant to the north of the capital.

The French embassy in Tokyo said in a statement that its advisory applied with immediate effect to those French nationals who were not obliged to remain in the city. It added that it had asked Air France to mobilise planes currently in Asia to evacuate French citizens, and two were already on their way.

On Tuesday, a fire broke out in the reactor four's fuel storage pond - an area where used nuclear fuel is kept cool - causing radioactivity to be released into the atmosphere. TEPCO said a new blaze erupted last night because the initial fire had not been fully extinguished.

The turn of events caused European energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger to warn that Tokyo had almost lost control of events. ‘There is talk of an apocalypse and I think the word is particularly well chosen,’ he told the European Parliament.

But just before 4am this morning the Japanese government said that the fire which had raged for around seven hours had been brought under control.

The Japanese government later ordered emergency workers to withdraw from its stricken nuclear power complex today amid a surge in radiation.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the workers, who have been dousing the reactors at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant with seawater in a frantic effort to stabilise their temperatures, had no choice but to pull back from the most dangerous areas.

'The workers cannot carry out even minimal work at the plant now,' Mr Edano said, as smoke billowed above the crippled complex. 'Because of the radiation risk we are on stand-by.'

The alarm spread worldwide. In Europe, some 500 bone marrow transplant centres were put on standby to treat any victims from Japan. And in India, officials demanded that imported Japanese goods be screened for radiation contamination.

The plant was yesterday rocked by a fire and two more explosions . One damaged the concrete and steel walls protecting reactor 2 – as concerns grew that the casing could split and potentially send out a cloud of dangerous radiation.

Aftershocks continue to hit the country, and a 6.0 magnitude tremor struck in the Pacific just off Chiba prefecture, east of Tokyo, today, raising concerns that further damage would be caused to the already-weakened container walls of four reactors at the Fukushima plant.

Hajimi Motujuku, a spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO), said the outer housing of the containment vessel at the No 4 unit at the complex caught fire.

The authority’s chief Andre-Claude Lacoste said: ‘It is very clear that we are at a level six. We are clearly in a catastrophe.’

In desperation, Tokyo Electric Power, which is responsible for the Fukushima plant, asked U.S. helicopters to drop water on to the building in an attempt to cool a reactor, as radiation levels are too high for people to approach it.

Levels at the site peaked at a dangerous 400 millisieverts yesterday – four times the level that can trigger cancer. However, they had fallen again by the end of the day. Japan ordered a 30-mile no fly zone over the exclusion zone to stop the spread of radiation.

Broadcasts on NHK television had an apocalyptic tone: ‘For those in the evacuation area, close your windows and doors. Switch off your air conditioners. If you are being evacuated, cover yourself as much as possible and wear a facemask. Stay calm.’

Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan told residents: ‘The level seems very high, and there is still a very high risk of more radiation coming out.’

Despite this, officials stressed that radiation levels were safe and called for calm.

Panic spread to Tokyo, where radiation has risen to ten times the normal level. Shoppers stripped food and face-masks from shops and filled outbound trains.

Potassium iodide pills, which deal with the consequences of radiation, were changing hands for £300, instead of a few pounds.

The U.S. took new steps to protect its personnel from radiation by moving warships to safer waters.

At the Yokoshuka Naval Base, 200 miles south of the plant, it told personnel and families to limit time outdoors and to close off ventilation systems ‘as much as practical’.

At least 17 Americans on helicopter missions have been exposed to the equivalent of around a month’s worth of background radiation.

To make matters worse, a fresh earthquake hit Japan, registering 6.2 on the Richter Scale – and the death toll rose above 3,300, although it will inevitably climb further.

The sense of crisis at the nuclear plant has been growing since Friday’s tsunami, caused by a massive earthquake, knocked out the cooling systems essential to prevent the plant’s uranium and plutonium fuel rods from overheating and melting.

Meanwhile, France’s Nuclear Safety Authority said the disaster now equated to a six on the seven-point international scale for nuclear accidents, ranking the crisis second only in gravity to Chernobyl in 1986.

Three of the plant’s six nuclear reactors were working when the disaster struck.

Then, on Saturday and Monday morning, fireballs rocked the site when hydrogen gas – released deliberately to ease pressure inside reactors 1 and 3 – ignited. On Monday night, a third hydrogen explosion hit reactor 2 and in the early hours of yesterday morning reactor 4 was rocked by an explosion damaging the roof.

The blast at 2 demolished the building housing the reactor and damaged the 80-inch steel and concrete containment unit that protects the radioactive core.

Damage to the reactor’s core, combined with a breach of the containment unit could be catastrophic.

Japan’s nuclear safety agency said the blast may have hit the unit’s suppression chamber – a large doughnut shaped structure below the core. A crack would have allowed radioactive steam and particles to escape.

Firms began evacuating staff from Tokyo. German companies such as BMW and Bosch said they would take foreign staff out of the country. Several German banks were doing the same.

Austria said it would move its embassy out of the capital hundreds of miles to the south, to the city of Osaka.

Meanwhile, German airline Lufthansa said its daily flights to Tokyo would instead fly to Osaka and Nagoya. Air China cancelled all flights to Tokyo from Beijing and Shanghai.

India announced it would test imported products from Japan for radiation. Ports and airports were told to check food for signs of contamination.

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the radio-active cloud reached us yesterday ... same time we had a light snow up in our mountains ... we used to joke and tell the children "don't eat the yellow snow" now we must tell the children the truth: "don't eat any snow" for now.
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still nuttin ta worry bout ... Have no fear for atomic energy

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Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfil de book.

Won't you help to sing
These songs of freedom? -
'Cause all I ever have:
Redemption songs;
Redemption songs;
Redemption songs.
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[Guitar break]
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Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our mind.
Wo! Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them-a can-a stop-a the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Yes, some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfil de book.
Won't you help to sing
Dese songs of freedom? -
Redemption songs -
Redemption songs:
These songs of freedom,
Songs of freedom.
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 26, 2011 04:17PM IP/Host: ---.uniserve.ca Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 284
heya ... don't want to beat no dead horse & don't want to seeya my reggae peoples perish for lack of wisdom either.

the talking heads of mEdia Inc. would have us believe nothin to worry about the radiation sickness ... because they
claim the radiation levels are dissipated in the winds ... what they fail to say is that the radiation comes from
multiple sources including the sun & the earth but just that little extra % now blowin in the wind has additional
isotopes including plutonium. Inhaling one molecule of plutonium can bang you right into the next dimension.
feel it in the one drop
[boards.straightdope.com]

those who know there are simple & inexpensive life enhancing precautions
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 26, 2011 04:36PM Admin IP/Host: Moderator Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 8,777
Who are these 'talking heads' you are referring to? I'm only seeing one person that's been spouting off about 'nothing to worry about' when it comes to radiation....

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Peacemakeya
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still nuttin ta worry bout ... Have no fear for atomic energy

 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 26, 2011 05:38PM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012
Yes, Plutonium is the really scary stuff.....when you hear all the talk about re-processing uranium rods...what they don't tell you is that it is very expensive and its byproduct is Plutonium...not good i say...Plutonium is on a whole other level!

i read that every human on earth has a very very small amout of Chernobyl in them....
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 26, 2011 06:13PM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 1,111
Thank you Peacemakeya and SJB!
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 27, 2011 03:31PM IP/Host: ---.dyn.novuscom.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 284
Daniel say

Who are these 'talking heads' you are referring to? I'm only seeing one person that's been spouting off about 'nothing to worry about' when it comes to radiation....

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Peacemakeya

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still nuttin ta worry bout ... Have no fear for atomic energy
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i was spouting that on the metaphysical we got nuttin to worry bout.
the worst thing they can ever do to ya is give u your ticket to paradise
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... March 27, 2011 09:50PM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,056
For some of us that 'ticket to paradise' is the end of our entire existence and we would like to put it off as long as possible. I interpret Bob's words to mean that we are unimportant compared to the earth's existence and that even if we blow ourselves up the world will keep on turning, eventually cleaning itself up and going on through eternity. But that eternity may not include us. So metaphysically i have plenty to worry about. Humanity has chosen to use nuclear energy only because the real costs are spread out over 25 thousand years of used fuel storage. Its actually the most expensive energy which we can produce. How do you even estimate the cost of storing the fuel for that long?

Love that reggae!
 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... April 17, 2011 03:32AM IP/Host: ---.static.reno.nv.charter.com Registered: 48 years ago Posts: 3,012

 Re: OT: Nuclear Radiation.... April 17, 2011 12:59PM IP/Host: ---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 118
Hey mikey j super coOl work there. Could use one in my backyard when ya coming by
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